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Enguerrand de Ponthieu, II, Comte de Ponthieu, Comte de Montreuil, Sire d'Aumale[1, 2]

Male 1030 - 1053  (23 years)


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  • Name Enguerrand de Ponthieu 
    Suffix II, Comte de Ponthieu, Comte de Montreuil, Sire d'Aumale 
    Nickname Ingelram II of Ponthieu 
    Born 1030 
    Address:
    Ponthieu
    Ponthieu, Picardie
    France 
    Gender Male 
    Occupation Comte, de Ponthieu, de Montreuil, Sieur, d'Aumale 
    Occupation Count of Ponthieu Find all individuals with events at this location 
    unknown 
    Died 25 Oct 1053 
    Address:
    Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie
    Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, Normandie (aujourd'hui Haute-Normandie
    France 
    Notes 
    • {geni:about_me} ==concerns==
      '''Stirnet's "Ponthieu1" page does not mention this Enguerrand.

      ==brief biography==
      Count of Ponthieu

      Count of Montreuil

      Lord of Aumale

      jure uxoris Lord of Aumale from about the time of his marriage to Adelaide (it was his dower gift to her) until the marriage was annulled by the Roman Catholic Church (circa 1049-1050)

      also known as '''Enguerrand [https://www.geni.com/surnames/de-montreuil de Montreuil]''' and '''Ingelram II of Ponthieu

      ==links==
      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enguerrand_II,_Count_of_Ponthieu
      * http://mauriceboddy.org.uk/Valognes.htm
      * FamilySearch AFN V9VB-P6

      ==content to be cleaned up==
      b) '''ADELAIDE de Montreuil''' . The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d´Auchy narrates the church´s foundation by “Guerinfrido qui condidit castellum…Albamarla” and names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum” and “Addelidis comitissa supradicti Engueranni et supradicte Adelidis filia…Judita comitissa domine supradicte filia”[837]. 1098.

      c) '''HELISSENDE de Montreuil .''' The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. 1096. "Comes Hugo de Sancto Paulo" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxoris sue Helisendis filiorumque suorum Ingelranni et Hugonis" by charter dated 17 Jun 1095[838]. m (before 1091) HUGUES [II] Comte de Saint-Pol, son of --- (-before [1118/19]).

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      http://thepeerage.com/p10483.htm

      '''Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu'''
      M, #104822, d. 1053

      Last Edited=21 Dec 2003

      Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu was the son of Hugues d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Berthe (?).2 He married Adeliza, Countess of Aumale, daughter of Robert I, 6th Duc de Normandie and Herleva de Falaise, before 1053.3 He died in 1053 at Arques, France, slain, without male issue.3,2

      Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu gained the title of Comte de Ponthieu.3 He fought in the siege of Arques in 1053.2

      Child of Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Adeliza, Countess of Aumale

      Adeliza d'Aumale1 d. a 1096

      Citations

      [S106] Royal Genealogies Website (ROYAL92.GED), online ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/genealogy/public_html/royal/index.html. Hereinafter cited as Royal Genealogies Website.

      [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 351. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

      [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 39. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Family.

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      Enguerrand II was the son of Hugh II count of Ponthieu. He assumed the county upon the death of his father on November 20, 1052.

      The Ponthievin alliance with duke William of Normandy had earlier been secured by the marriage of Enguerrand's sister, to duke William's uncle, William of Talou. Enguerrand was married to duke William's sister, Adelaide, by which he had 3 children. But for some consanguinity there, or from another infraction not now known, Enguerrand was excommunicated at the papal council held at Reims in October 1049.

      William of Talou had built a strong castle at Arques, and from it (in 1053) he defied his nephew the youthful duke of Normandy: as "family", the comital house of Ponthieu supported the rebellion.

      Duke William put Arques under siege, and then remained mobile with another force in the countryside nearby. He was aware that Normandy was being threatened by the armies of King Henry of France — who wanted to bring his young, former vassal to heel; and that Normandy's erstwhile allies from Ponthieu would also be coming to break the siege of Arques. Young count Enguerrand led a Ponthievin army of relief into the Talou and arrived first: but duke William successfully ambushed them on October 25, 1053 and Enguerrand was killed (legend says, within sight and sound of the walls of Arques, from which his sister witnessed the demise of her brother). Upon learning of this serious reverse, the vacillating Henry withdrew his forces at once back across the Norman border. William of Talou was compelled to surrender Arques and was banished for life. (Alternatively, the story goes that king Henry reinforced Arques, and duke William lured part of the French army, including Enguerrand and the Ponthievins, away by a feigned flight, then turned on them and won a battle: Henry then withdrew, forcing the surrender of Arques not long after.)

      Enguerrand's only son, Guy I became count of Ponthieu in his place.

      ****http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_of_Normandy
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      Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu was the son of Hugues d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Berthe (?).2 He married Adeliza, Countess of Aumale, daughter of Robert I, 6th Duc de Normandie and Herleva de Falaise, before 1053.3 He died in 1053 at Arques, France, slain, without male issue.3,2

      Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu gained the title of Comte de Ponthieu.3 He fought in the siege of Arques in 1053.2

      Child of Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Adeliza, Countess of Aumale

      Adeliza d'Aumale1 d. a 1096
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    • Name Prefix: Count Name Suffix: III, of Ponthieu
    • Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]
      According to a later chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]
      Note: CP states that Enguerrand died without any male issue, but "The Ancestors of Paul McBride", a fairly reliable website with good genealogical information, states that Enguerrand and Adele had Piers de Valognes as a son. The website also lists Hugh II de Ponthieu as son of Enguerrand, but that misinformation comes from, among other sources, an error in the well respected German book Schwennicke's "Europäische Stammtafeln" (ES).
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    • Enguerrand, Count of Ponthieu and Sire d'Aumale. Slain at the siegeof Arques in 1053. [Complete Peerage I:351 chart]

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      Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:

      Other notes:
      Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (theConqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss ofArques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]

      According to a later chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330)the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls ofArques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than amile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exactsite of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]

      Regards,

      Curt

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      Note: CP states that Enguerrand died without any male issue, but "TheAncestors of Paul McBride", a fairly reliable website with goodgenealogical information, states that Enguerrand and Adele had Piersde Valognes as a son. The website also lists Hugh II de Ponthieu asson of Enguerrand, but that misinformation comes from, among othersources, an error in the well respected German book Schwennicke's"Europäische Stammtafeln" (ES).
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    • #Générale##Générale#1ʻ mari

      note couple : #Générale#s:ds02.79 ; ds03.635
    Person ID I6000000000769902407  Ancestors of Donald Ross
    Last Modified 22 Feb 2020 

    Father comte Hugues II de Ponthieu,   b. Abt 1005,   d. 20 Nov 1052, St Riquier, Picardie, Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 47 years) 
    Mother Berthe d'Aumale, dame d'Aumale,   b. Abt 1005,   d. 1052  (Age 47 years) 
    Married Abt 1036 
    Family ID F6000000011715762066  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Muriel de Conteville,   b. Abt 1041,   bur. Abbey of Bury Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Piers I de Valognes, seigneur de Valognes,   b. 1045,   d. Abt 1087  (Age 42 years)
    Last Modified 14 Mar 2021 
    Family ID F6000000123980960825  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Adelaide,   b. Abt 1029, Falaise Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1090, Aumale Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 61 years) 
    Married Bef 1052 
    Address:
    Normandy France
    Normandy
    France 
    Children 
     1. Guy de Ponthieu, I,   b. Abt 1047, Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 Oct 1101  (Age 54 years)
     2. Hélissende de Ponthieu,   b. 1053, Ponthieu, Somme Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1128  (Age 75 years)
    Last Modified 14 Mar 2021 
    Family ID F6000000006236191300  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart