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  • Name John The Black Comyn 
    Suffix II 
    Born 1242  Badenoch Find all individuals with events at this location 
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    Scotland
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    Gender Male 
    Died 1303  Lochindorb Castle Find all individuals with events at this location 
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    • {geni:about_me} John II Comyn, Lord of Badenoch

      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      John II Comyn, Lord of Badenoch (died 1302) or John "the Black", also known as Black Comyn, a Scottish nobleman, was a Guardian of Scotland, and one of the six Regents for Margaret, Maid of Norway. His father was John I Comyn, Lord of Badenoch.

      As a descendant of King Donald III, Comyn was one of the thirteen Competitors for the Crown of Scotland. He did not aggressively push his claim for fear of jeopardising that of his brother-in-law John de Balliol, King of Scotland. Comyn, head of the most powerful noble family in Scotland, was a committed ally of Balliol and assisted him in his struggle against Edward I of England. It has even been suggested that the Comyn family were the driving force behind both the Balliol kingship and the revolt against Edward's demands.

      He was a Guardian of the Realm from 1286 to 1292[1]. Comyn submitted to the English king in 1296.

      Comyn married Princess Elanore (Alinora, Eleanora, Elanora) de Balliol of Scotland, daughter of John I de Balliol of Barnard Castle, sister of King John of Scotland. Together they had several children, which included:

      John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch.[2][3], who married Lady Joan de Valence of Pembroke, daughter of William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke, who was the half-brother to Henry III of England, and Uncle to Edward I of England.

      One of their daughters, Euphemia, married Sir Andrew Moray of Petty.

      Their other daughter, who is unnamed, married Sir William Galbraith, Chief of that Ilk. It is commonly accepted that Sir William Galbraith and the unnamed Princess of Badenoch are the common progenitures of the Kincaid Family of Scotland and all of their descendents.

      John II Comyn, Lord of Badenoch died at Lochindorb Castle in 1302.

      [edit]Notes and External Links

      ^ G. W. S. Barrow, Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of Scotland (2005) p. 188.

      ^ SCOTTISH ROYAL LINEAGE - THE HOUSE OF ATHOLL Part 2 of 6 Burkes Peerage Retrieved on 2007-11-01

      ^ ,Comyn01 @ Stirnet Retrieved on 2007-11-04

      4. Clan Galbraith History: http://www.clangalbraith.org/GalbraithHistory/GalbraithHistory.htm



      Sir John Comyn1

      M, d. circa 1303, #2731

      Father Sir John Comyn2 d. after 1273

      Mother Amabilia (?)2

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      Charts Pedigree for Anne Marbury

      Arms* His arms were Gules iii garbes d'or (Walford, Charles, St. George, Guillim, Camden).3

      Name Variation Sir John Comyn was also styled The Black Comyn.1,4

      Marriage* He married Eleanor de Baliol, daughter of Sir John de Baliol and Devorguilla of Galloway, between 1279 and 1283.1,4,5

      Event-Misc He was present at the Convention of Roxburgh, where the marriage of margaret, daughter of King Alexander III, was agreed upon. In 1281.6

      Event-Misc He was one of the Scottish magnates engaged to maintain the title of the Maid of Norway to the throne of Scotland upon the death of her grandfather. On 5 February 1283/84.6

      Event-Misc* Jn. Comyn and w. Eleanor, staying in Galloway nominate attorneys in England on 6 April 1284.3

      Event-Misc He was appointed one of the six guardians of the Kingdom of Scotland in 1286.6

      Event-Misc He was an ambassador to the King of Norway concerning the marriage of the Maid of Norway. In 1289.6

      Occupation* He was a Keeper of Scotland on 28 August 1290.3

      Summoned* He was summoned to serve in Gascony on 1 September 1294.3

      (Witness) Event-Misc He was a witness to Charter as King of Scotland on 3 July 1295.3

      Event-Misc* Sir John Comyn swore fealty to Edward I of England following the death of the Maid of Norway on 10 July 1296.7

      Event-Misc King has lent him Geddington Manor, Northants., and gives him 12 does, with Lic. to hunt the hare, fox, and cat. On 12 October 1296.3

      Event-Misc Received gift of 20 oak stumps for fuel from Geddington Forest, and Lic. to take 12 does there for sport. On 9 November 1296.3

      Death* He died circa 1303.1,4,3,5

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      Title* He held the title of Lord of Badenoch.1

      Family Eleanor de Baliol

      Marriage* He married Eleanor de Baliol, daughter of Sir John de Baliol and Devorguilla of Galloway, between 1279 and 1283.1,4,5

      Child

      John Comyn d. 10 Feb 1306

      Last Edited 12 Feb 2005

      Citations

      [S168] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots, 95-29.

      [S168] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots, 121A-28.

      [S325] Rev. C. Moor, Knights of Edward I, p. 231.

      [S233] Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Charta Sureties, 141-3.

      [S301] Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, p. 12.

      [S301] Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, p. 63.

      [S301] Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, p. 64.


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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_II_Comyn,_Lord_of_Badenoch

      John II Comyn, Lord of Badenoch (died 1302) or John "the Black", also known as Black Comyn, a Scottish nobleman, was a Guardian of Scotland, and one of the six Regents for Margaret, Maid of Norway. His father was John I Comyn, Lord of Badenoch.

      As a descendant of King Donald III, Comyn was one of the thirteen Competitors for the Crown of Scotland. He did not aggressively push his claim for fear of jeopardising that of his brother-in-law John de Balliol, King of Scotland. Comyn, head of the most powerful noble family in Scotland, was a committed ally of Balliol and assisted him in his struggle against Edward I of England. It has even been suggested that the Comyn family were the driving force behind both the Balliol kingship and the revolt against Edward's demands.

      He was a Guardian of the Realm from 1286 to 1292[1]. Comyn submitted to the English king in 1296.

      Comyn married Princess Elanore (Alinora, Eleanora, Elanora) de Balliol of Scotland, daughter of John I de Balliol of Barnard Castle, sister of King John of Scotland. Together they had several children, which included:

      John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch.[2][3], who married Lady Joan de Valence of Pembroke, daughter of William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke, who was the half-brother to Henry III of England, and Uncle to Edward I of England.

      One of their daughters, Euphemia, married Sir Andrew Moray of Petty.

      Their other daughter, who is unnamed, married Sir William Galbraith, Chief of that Ilk. It is commonly accepted that Sir William Galbraith and the unnamed Princess of Badenoch are the common progenitures of the Kincaid Family of Scotland and all of their descendents.

      John II Comyn, Lord of Badenoch died at Lochindorb Castle in 1302.


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      John II Comyn, Lord of Badenoch (died 1302) or John "the Black", also known as Black Comyn, a Scottish nobleman, was a Guardian of Scotland, and one of the six Regents for Margaret, Maid of Norway. His father was John I Comyn, Lord of Badenoch.
      As a descendant of King Donald III, Comyn was one of the thirteen Competitors for the Crown of Scotland. He did not aggressively push his claim for fear of jeopardising that of his brother-in-law John de Balliol, King of Scotland. Comyn, head of the most powerful noble family in Scotland, was a committed ally of Balliol and assisted him in his struggle against Edward I of England. It has even been suggested that the Comyn family were the driving force behind both the Balliol kingship and the revolt against Edward's demands.
      He was a Guardian of the Realm from 1286 to 1292[1]. Comyn submitted to the English king in 1296.
      Comyn married Princess Elanore (Alinora, Eleanora, Elanora) de Balliol of Scotland, daughter of John I de Balliol of Barnard Castle, sister of King John of Scotland. Together they had several children, which included:
      John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch.[2][3], who married Lady Joan de Valence of Pembroke, daughter of William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke, who was the half-brother to Henry III of England, and Uncle to Edward I of England.
      One of their daughters, Euphemia, married Sir Andrew Moray of Petty.
      Their other daughter, who is unnamed, married Sir William Galbraith, Chief of that Ilk. It is commonly accepted that Sir William Galbraith and the unnamed Princess of Badenoch are the common progenitures of the Kincaid Family of Scotland and all of their descendents.
      John II Comyn, Lord of Badenoch died at Lochindorb Castle in 1302.
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      Inverlochy Castle
      built about 1270-80 by the Comyn Lord of Badenoch.
      From the Comyns it passed to the Bruces and the Gordons.
      Near it was fought the Battle of Inverlochy in 1645 when Montrose led the Highlanders to victory over Argyll's Covenanters.



      Sources 1.[S6] Stirnet Genealogy, Peter Barns-Graham, Comyn01: The Scots Peerage (Badenoch), The Scots Peerage ( B uchan), Burkes Extinct Peerages 1883 (Cumyn of Buchan). (Reliability: 3)


      2.[S67] Macdonald genealogy, Roddy Macdonald of the Clan Donald Society of Edinburgh, (http://www.clandonald.org.uk/genealogy.htm), genealogy/d0006/g0000043.html#I2983 (Reliability: 3)


      3.[S64] Mackenzies, History of the, Alexander Mackenzie, ([ History Of The Mackenzies by Alexander Mackenzie, NEW, REVISED, AND EXTENDED EDITION pub 1894 ] http://www.fullbooks.com/History-Of-The-Mackenzies1.html), Part 1 (Reliability: 3)


      http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I4378&tree=CC
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    • Following the death of Queen Margaret (the Maid of Norway) in 1290, John Comyn's son (also named John but often referred to as "Black Comyn") was one of the six competitors for the throne as a descendant of Donald III. The other claimants included John Balliol and Robert Bruce the elder (known as "The Great Competitor"). They were descended from Donald's elder brother, King Malcolm III and so technically had better claims.
      When King Edward I of England offered to "adjudicate", he selected John Balliol (believing that he could dominate him more easily). The Black Comyn (and Robert the Bruce's grandfather) acknowledged Balliol as king. In a move designed to strengthen the claim on the throne, John's son (also named John but usually referred to as "Red Comyn") married Balliol's sister.
      Eventually, Balliol rebelled and Edward came north. At this time, Bruce was one of those who rendered homage to Edward and Balliol seized the Bruce lands and gave them to Red Comyn (his nephew). Edward defeated the Scots at the Battle of Dunbar and marched across Scotland and removed such precious items as the Stone of Destiny and the Scottish crown. He humiliated Balliol by removing his royal insignia. He then demanded that all the Scottish landowners should sign an oath of allegiance to him - a document which became known as the "Ragman Rolls". There were nine Comyns of sufficient stature to sign the document (along with another 2,000 signatories).
    • Comyn, John (Black Comyn), d. c.1300, Scottish nobleman
      d. c.1300, Scottish nobleman, known as the Black Comyn. In 1286 hebecame one of the six regents for Margaret Maid of Norway and, as such,agreed to the treaty of 1290, by which Margaret was to marry the eldestson of Edward I of England. After her death, he was at first a claimantfor the vacant throne but then supported the claim of his brother-in-law,John de Baliol, who was awarded the crown by Edward I of England in 1292.Comyn joined Baliol in his revolt against Edward but submitted to theEnglish king in 1296. The name also appears as Cumming.


      COMYN, JOHN (d. C. 1300), Scottish baron, was a son of John Comyn (d.1274), justiciar of Galloway, who was a nephew of the constable ofScotland, Alexander Comyn, earl of Buchan (d. 1289), and of the powerfuland wealthy Walter Comyn, earl of Mentieth (d. 1258). With his uncle theearl of Buchan, the elder Comyn took a prominent part in the affairs ofScotland during the latter part of the 13th century, and he had interestsand estates in England as well as in his native land. He fought for HenryIII. at Northampton and at Lewes, and was afterwards imprisoned for ashort time in London. The younger Comyn, who had inherited the lordshipof Badenoch from his great-uncle the earl of Mentieth, was appointed oneof the guardians of Scotland in 1286, and shared in. the negotiationsbetween Edward I. and the Scots in 1289 and 1290. When Margaret, the Maidof Norway, died in 1290, Comyn was one of the claimants for the Scottishthrone, but he did not press his candidature, and like the other Comynsurged the claim of John de Baliol. After supporting Baliol in his risingagainst Edward I., Comyn submitted to the English king in 1296; he wassent to reside in England, but returned to Scotland shortly before hisdeath.
    • Following the death of Queen Margaret (the Maid of Norway) in 1290, John Comyn's son (also named John but often referred to as "Black Comyn") was one of the six competitors for the throne as a descendant of Donald III. The other claimants included John Balliol and Robert Bruce the elder (known as "The Great Competitor"). They were descended from Donald's elder brother, King Malcolm III and so technically had better claims.
      When King Edward I of England offered to "adjudicate", he selected John Balliol (believing that he could dominate him more easily). The Black Comyn (and Robert the Bruce's grandfather) acknowledged Balliol as king. In a move designed to strengthen the claim on the throne, John's son (also named John but usually referred to as "Red Comyn") married Balliol's sister.
      Eventually, Balliol rebelled and Edward came north. At this time, Bruce was one of those who rendered homage to Edward and Balliol seized the Bruce lands and gave them to Red Comyn (his nephew). Edward defeated the Scots at the Battle of Dunbar and marched across Scotland and removed such precious items as the Stone of Destiny and the Scottish crown. He humiliated Balliol by removing his royal insignia. He then demanded that all the Scottish landowners should sign an oath of allegiance to him - a document which became known as the "Ragman Rolls". There were nine Comyns of sufficient stature to sign the document (along with another 2,000 signatories).
    • !From "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonist" by WEIS, 6th ed, line 95, page 92; "Alianora De BALIOL m 1279/83 Sir John COMYN, Black Comyn (121A-29) d ca 1303, Lord of Badenock. (SP I 507-508, IV 143; CP I 386 (d)."
    • Name Suffix: 'The Black'
    • KNOWN AS "THE BLACK"; LAIRD OF BADENOCH
    • 1 NAME the Black //
      2 GIVN the Black
      2 SURN
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    • Source #1: Frederick Lewis Weis, "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700" - Seventh Edition, with additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., assisted by Davis Faris (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1995), pp. 92; 108

      "The Black Comyn" - Lord of Badenoch. Claimant of the Crown of Scotland, based on his descent from Donald Bane, son of Duncan I of Scotland.
    • Sir John 'the Red' Comyn, Lord of Badenoch (d 10.02.1305-6) Sir John's mother's mother's mother was Margaret of Huntingdon. Through this connection he had a strong claim to the Scots throne (given that that Margaret was elder sister of the Isobel of Huntingdon through whom Robert the Bruce had his claim). He was murdered by that Robert Bruce, after which the latter had himself crowned.
    • !From "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonist" by WEIS, 6th ed, line 95, page 92; "Alianora De BALIOL m 1279/83 Sir John COMYN, Black Comyn (121A-29) d ca 1303, Lord of Badenock. (SP I 507-508, IV 143; CP I 386 (d)."
    • !From "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonist" by WEIS, 6th ed, line 95, page 92; "Alianora De BALIOL m 1279/83 Sir John COMYN, Black Comyn (121A-29) d ca 1303, Lord of Badenock. (SP I 507-508, IV 143; CP I 386 (d)."
    • Sir John Comyn, Black Comyn, d. c. 1303, Lord of Badenoch. [MagnaCharta Sureties]
    • !From "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonist" by WEIS, 6th ed, line 95, page 92; "Alianora De BALIOL m 1279/83 Sir John COMYN, Black Comyn (121A-29) d ca 1303, Lord of Badenock. (SP I 507-508, IV 143; CP I 386 (d)."
    Person ID I6000000002315775736  Ancestors of Donald Ross
    Last Modified 3 Jan 2020 

    Father John l "the Red" Comyn, Earl of Badenoch, Justiciar of Galloway,   b. Abt 1223,   d. Abt 1278  (Age 55 years) 
    Mother Eve N.N.,   b. Abt 1224 
    Family ID F6000000023330194418  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Alianora de Baliol,   b. Abt 1246, Bernard Castle, Gainford, Durham, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1302  (Age 56 years) 
    Children 
     1. John "The Red" Comyn, Lord of Badenoch,   b. Abt 1269, Badenoch, Inverness-shire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 Feb 1306, Church of Grey Friars, Dumfrie Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 37 years)
    Last Modified 14 Mar 2021 
    Family ID F6000000002116514281  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart