Our Family History and Ancestry

Our family Histories

Eudes de Vermandois, comte de Vermandois[1, 2]

Male - 1045


Personal Information    |    Media    |    Sources    |    All    |    PDF

  • Name Eudes de Vermandois 
    Suffix comte de Vermandois 
    Nickname Othon 
    Born Vermandois, Normandy Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Address:
    France
    France 
    Gender Male 
    Occupation Comte, de Vermandois 
    Occupation Comte, de Vermandois, Count of Vermandois, Greve, Comte de Vermandois (9e, 1021-1045) 
    Occupation Conde de Vermandois 
    Occupation Count of Vermandois 
    Occupation Greve 
    Occupation Count of Vermandois Find all individuals with events at this location 
    unknown 
    Residence France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Died 25 May 1045  Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • {geni:about_me} http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN FRANCE.htm

      EUDES, son of HERIBERT [IV] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Ermengardis --- ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[1355]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "VIII Kal Jun" of "Otto comes"[1356].

      m PAVIA, daughter of --- (-after 1045). "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[1357].

      Comte Eudes & his wife had three children:

      1. HERIBERT [VI] ([1032]-[1080]). He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois. He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1358]. m ([1059 or before]) ADELAIS de Valois, daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[1359]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. Ctss de Valois. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1360]. Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

      a) EUDES “l’Insensé” (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[1361]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

      [- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[1362]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

      b) ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1363]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1364]. She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy. m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia. m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD de Clermont, son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[1365].

      children of first marriage:

      - see below, Part B. COMTES de VERMANDOIS (Capet).

      2. [SIMON (-after 1076). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. [Seigneur de Ham.] He may have been the ancestor of the later Seigneurs de Ham (see below, Part C. SEIGNEURS de HAM)[1366].]

      3. [PIERRE. He is shown by Brandenburg as the son of Comte Eudes[1367] but the primary source on which this is based has not been traced.]

      --------------------

      Otto or Odo of Vermandois, died May 25 in 1045, was Count of Vermandois from 1010 to 1045. He was the son of Herbert III, Count of Vermandois, and Ermengearde.

      On July 15, 1010, he succeeded his brother Albert II who had renounced the county.

      It would have married a Pavia of unknown origin They were:

      Herbert IV (1032 † 1080), Count of Vermandois.

      Perhaps Simon, who was lord of Ham.

      Perhaps Peter.
      --------------------
      9. EUDES (I) DE VERMANDOIS, LORD OF HAM, b. 979, d. May 25, 1043, m. Pavia Patia de Ham, b. 990, d. 1058

      Eudes de Vermandois, b. 1013, d. 1050

      Pierre de Vermandois "surnommé Siger ou Sohier (victorieux)"

      Herbert (VI) de Vermandois, b. 1032, d. 1080

      --------------------
      http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN FRANCE.htm

      EUDES, son of HERIBERT [IV] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Ermengardis --- ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[1355]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "VIII Kal Jun" of "Otto comes"[1356].

      m PAVIA, daughter of --- (-after 1045). "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[1357].

      Comte Eudes & his wife had three children:

      1. HERIBERT [VI] ([1032]-[1080]). He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois. He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1358]. m ([1059 or before]) ADELAIS de Valois, daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[1359]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. Ctss de Valois. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1360]. Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

      a) EUDES “l’Insensé” (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[1361]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

      [- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[1362]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

      b) ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1363]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1364]. She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy. m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia. m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD de Clermont, son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[1365].

      children of first marriage:

      - see below, Part B. COMTES de VERMANDOIS (Capet).

      2. [SIMON (-after 1076). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. [Seigneur de Ham.] He may have been the ancestor of the later Seigneurs de Ham (see below, Part C. SEIGNEURS de HAM)[1366].]

      3. [PIERRE. He is shown by Brandenburg as the son of Comte Eudes[1367] but the primary source on which this is based has not been traced.]

      --------------------

      Otto or Odo of Vermandois, died May 25 in 1045, was Count of Vermandois from 1010 to 1045. He was the son of Herbert III, Count of Vermandois, and Ermengearde.

      On July 15, 1010, he succeeded his brother Albert II who had renounced the county.

      It would have married a Pavia of unknown origin They were:

      Herbert IV (1032 † 1080), Count of Vermandois.

      Perhaps Simon, who was lord of Ham.

      Perhaps Peter. -------------------- 9. EUDES (I) DE VERMANDOIS, LORD OF HAM, b. 979, d. May 25, 1043, m. Pavia Patia de Ham, b. 990, d. 1058

      Eudes de Vermandois, b. 1013, d. 1050

      Pierre de Vermandois "surnommé Siger ou Sohier (victorieux)"

      Herbert (VI) de Vermandois, b. 1032, d. 1080

      read more
    • !Count of Vermandois,Crecy and Valois.

      !BIRTH: "Royal Ancestors" by Michel Call - Based on Call Family Pedigrees FHL
      film 844805 & 844806, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT. Copy of
      "Royal Ancestors" owned by Lynn Bernhard, Orem, UT.

      Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
      email - bernhardengineer@netscape.net
    • Otto
      http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=e629bda5-abe4-4e02-aac8-41715d47055b&tid=1173601&pid=-1493733799
    • Ancestral File Number: 9G81-X2
    • Eudes van Vermandois, ovl. 25.05.1045, ref. nr. 18.03.2004 ES I.1-7.4 Graaf van Vermandois 1021, vermeld 982. Hij trouwde met Pavie.
    • All notes of this line;
      Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists by Frederic Lewis Weis
      Eight lines of descent of John Prescot, founder of Lancaster, Mass
      by Frederick Lewis Weis
      Some Magna Carta Barons and Other royal Linages by Dorothy a. Sherman Lainson;B.A.; M.N.

      Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists(7th Ed) by Frederick Lewis Weis, Th.D.; F.A.S.G.
    • Ancestral File Number: 9G81-X2

      Ancestral File Number: 9G81-X2
    • Line 3220 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:
      NAME Otho (Otto) Count Of /VERMANDOIS/
    • Otto (or Eudes) of Vermandois (29 August 979 - 25 May 1045), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Herbert III, Count of Vermandois and Ermengarde of Bar-sur-Seine. He succeeded in 1021 as count of Vermandois. Otto donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter.

      Family and children
      He married Pavia (or Patia) (b. 990). Their children were:

      Herbert IV of Vermandois.
      Simon (-after 1076), Seigneur de Ham.
      Peter of Vermandois. He is shown by Brandenburg as the son of Comte Eudes.
    • _P_CCINFO 2-2438
    • COUNT OF VERMANDOIS
    • Also have birth as 1000 in France. [Betz homepage http://info.lu.farmingdale.edu/~betzja/gene]
    • Line 3220 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:
      NAME Otho (Otto) Count Of /VERMANDOIS/
    • Otto
      http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=e629bda5-abe4-4e02-aac8-41715d47055b&tid=1173601&pid=-1493733799
    • GIVN Otho (Otto) Count
      SURN von Vermandois
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      DATE 9 SEP 2000
      TIME 13:17:56
    • GIVN Otho (Otto) Count
      SURN von Vermandois
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      DATE 9 SEP 2000
      TIME 13:17:56
    • Weis: Count de Vermandois
    • Name Prefix: Count
    • Otto, Count of Vermandois
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Otto of Vermandois (979 – 25 May 1045), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Herbert III of Vermandois and Ermengarde of Bar-sur-Seine.

      [edit] Family and children

      He married Pavia (or Patia) (b. 990). Their children were:

      1. Herbert IV of Vermandois.
      2. Eudes I the Insane, Count de Ham.
      3. Peter of Vermandois.

      Preceded by
      Herbert III Count of Vermandois
      1015–1045 Succeeded by
      Herbert IV
    • [s2.FTW]

      [Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

      !COUNT OF VERMANDOIS[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

      !COUNT OF VERMANDOIS
    • Counte
    • Otto, Count of Vermandois
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Otto of Vermandois (979 – 25 May 1045), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Herbert III of Vermandois and Ermengarde of Bar-sur-Seine.
    • [1651] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Washington Ahnentafel) # 8720860

      private database dorsett2, Charlie Dorsett (access restricted)(cf caesar.html) Otho (Otto) Count Vermandois (abt.979-1043/45)
    • GIVN Otho (Otto) Count
      SURN von Vermandois
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      REPO @REPO80@
      TITL World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      AUTH Brøderbund Software, Inc.
      PUBL Release date: November 29, 1995
      ABBR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
      Customer pedigree.
      Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
      PAGE Tree #1319
      DATA
      TEXT Date of Import: 25 Dez 1998
      DATE 9 SEP 2000
      TIME 13:17:56
    • #Générale#source décès : - wikipedia - http://fr.wikipe
    Person ID I6000000003146960279  Ancestors of Donald Ross
    Last Modified 26 Dec 2019 

    Father Herbert de Vermandois, IV, Comte de Vermandois,   b. Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 29 Aug 993, St Quentin, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mother Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine,   b. Abt 960, Bar-Sur-Seine, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1035, France, Lot-et-Garonne, Aquitaine, France Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 75 years) 
    Married Bef 982 
    Family ID F6000000008925659744  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Pavie de Ham,   b. Abt 990,   d. 1058  (Age 68 years) 
    Married 1030 
    Address:
    France
    France 
    Children 
     1. Heribert IV(VI) de Vermandois, comte de Vermandois,   b. Abt 20 Jul 1032, Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 23 Feb 1080, Tarsus, Cilicia, Asia Minor (now Turkey) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 47 years)
     2. Simon de Vermandois, seigneur de Ham
    Last Modified 14 Mar 2021 
    Family ID F6000000002165762347  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart