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Male Abt 1178 - 1236  (58 years)


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  • Name William de Lindsay 
    Born Abt 1178  Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 1236  Aberlady, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • {geni:about_me} http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY%20UNTITLED.htm#_Toc389126085

      WILLIAM de Lindsay, son of WILLIAM de Lindsay & his second wife Eleanor de Limesay (-after 25 Aug 1236). Seneschal to the Steward of Scotland. "…Wilelmo de Lyndesay…" witnessed the charter dated 25 Aug 1236 under which Alexander II King of Scotland donated "tribus ecclesie de Karryc" to Paisley monastery[952].
      m ---. The name of William’s wife is not known.

      William & his wife had one child:

      1. DAVID Lindsay (-after 1249). "……David de Lindes patr fil Willi…" witnessed the charter dated 5 Feb 1241 under which Alexander II King of Scotland confirmed a donation of "duas acras terre in territorio de Scona" to Scone abbey[953]. m ---. The name of David’s wife is not known. David & his wife had two children:

      >a) DAVID Lindsay (-on crusade [1268/71]). Regent of Scotland 1255. High Chamberlain 1256. "…Davide de Lindesai juniore…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Alexander senescallus Scocie" confirmed the donation to Balmerino abbey of "una terra in burgo de Perth" made by "Walterus pater meus"[954]. m MARGARET Lindsay, daughter of [WALTER de Lindsay & his wife Christiana ---]. Balfour Paul shows her parentage and marriage[955]. "Willelmus de Lyndesay miles filius quondam dni David de Lyndeshay" donated revenue to Newbattle priory, for the souls of "dni David de Lydesay patris mei et Margarete de Lyndesay matris mee", by charter dated 1293[956]. David & his wife had three children:

      >>i) ALEXANDER Lindsay (-after 1308). The Ragman Roll names "…Phelippe de Lindeseye…Alisaundre de Lindeseye, knights" among those who swore allegiance to Edward I King of England at Berwick-upon-Tweed 28 Aug 1296[957]. m ---. The name of Alexander’s wife is not known.

      Alexander & his wife had one child:

      >>>(a) DAVID Lindsay (-13 Oct 1357). "David de Lyndd dñs de Crauford filius et heres quondam dñi Alex de Lyndd" confirmed the donation "in territorio de Crauford" to Newbattle priory made by "Gerardi de Lyndd", to Newbattle priory by charter dated 1327[958].
      - EARLS of CRAWFORD.

      >>>(b) BEATRICE Lindsay . Duncan Earl of Fife granted his barony of Wester Caldor to “domine Beatrice de Douglas sponse quondam domini Archibaldi” for her lifetime and after her death to “Johannis de Douglas filio suo et heredi ac heredibus suis” by undated charter[959]. m firstly ARCHIBALD Douglas, son of WILLIAM Douglas of Douglas & his first wife Elizabeth Stewart (-killed in battle Halidon Hill 19 Jul 1333). m secondly ROBERT Erskine of Erskine, son of ---.

      >>ii) WILLIAM Lindsay (-after [1310]). Lord of Symington, Ayrshire. "Willelmus de Lyndesay miles filius quondam dni David de Lyndeshay" donated revenue to Newbattle priory, for the souls of "dni David de Lydesay patris mei et Margarete de Lyndesay matris mee", by charter dated 1293[960]. "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[961]. m firstly ALICE, daughter of ---. A charter dated 3 Sep 1296 records petitions to King Edward I by women whose estates had been seized in Scotland, including by "Alicia uxor Willelmi de Lindesay, qui est in curia Romana…per tres annos" who requested restoration of "terras dicti viri sui quæ sunt de hereditate ipsius Aliciæ"[962]. "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[963]. m secondly [as her second husband,] MARGARET [Comyn, widow of JOHN Ross, daughter of ALEXANDER Comyn & his wife Joanna] (-before [1310]). "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[964]. The Complete Peerage suggests this identity of William’s second wife[965]. It is not an ideal fit. John Comyn Earl of Buchan, uncle of Margaret daughter of Alexander Comyn, died in 1308. His heir appears to have been Alice, older sister of Margaret. It is therefore unclear how Margaret could legitimately have claimed to be countess of Buchan after he died. In any case, the date of death of William Lindsay’s second wife is not known, so it cannot be stated definitely that she survived Earl John. In addition, no indication has been found of the date of death of Margaret’s first husband which could show whether the suggestion is possible. Two other possibilities present themselves. Firstly, Margaret, wife of William Lindsay, could have been an otherwise unrecorded second wife of Alexander Comyn Earl of Buchan, the father of Earl John, who died in 1290. In that case, there would have been no doubt about her right to bear the title “countess of Buchan”. Secondly, she could have been Marjory, oldest sister of Earl John, who may have asserted a claim to the earldom of Buchan after the death of her brother as the oldest surviving heir of his generation. Marjory’s known husband, Patrick Earl of Dunbar, died in 1308 so a second marriage before the [1310] charter is possible, although no indication has been found of her own date of death so it is not known whether she survived Earl Patrick.

      >>iii) DUNCAN Lindsay (-after [1310]). "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[966].

      >b) JOHN Lindsay . Chamberlain of Scotland. m DIONISIA, daughter of ALEXANDER Bene & his wife ---.

      John & his wife had two children:

      >>i) SIMON Lindsay .

      >>ii) PHILIP de Lindsay . The Ragman Roll names "…Phelippe de Lindeseye…Alisaundre de Lindeseye, knights" among those who swore allegiance to Edward I King of England at Berwick-upon-Tweed 28 Aug 1296[967].

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      William de Lindsay is the son of Sir William de Lindesay and Aleanora (?).1,2

      From http://www.thepeerage.com/p23116.htm#i231151

      Last Edited=21 May 2007

      Children of William de Lindsay
      # William de Lindsay+ 1
      # unknown de Lindsay 1

      Citations
      # [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 951. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
      # [S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 1, page 950.
    • He also had a younger son, who founded the House of Craigie.
    • He acquired the territories of Windermere, Grasmere, etc. by marriage with Alice.
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      of Luffness, flourished 1236. (Am.Gent.Birth, v. I, p. 173).
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      [Brøderbund WFT Vol. 9, Ed. 1, Tree #2956, Date of Import: Nov 17, 1998]

      My sources are from the wft2 2130,[strayhorn.FTW]

      [Brøderbund WFT Vol. 9, Ed. 1, Tree #2956, Date of Import: Nov 15, 1998]

      My sources are from the wft2 2130,
    Person ID I6000000005391528330  Ancestors of Donald Ross
    Last Modified 20 Dec 2016 

    Father Sir William de Lindsay, Lord of Luffness, Ercildoune and Crawford,   b. 1148, Crawford, Lanarkshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1200, Crawford, Lanarkshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 52 years) 
    Mother Eleanor de Limesey,   b. Abt 1165,   d. Abt 1197  (Age 32 years) 
    Family ID F6000000004287584232  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family wife of William de Lindsay,   b. 1185 
    Children 
     1. Sir David de Lindsay of Breneville, Lord of Breneville,   b. Abt 1203, Luffness, Aberlady, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1249, Breneville, Ayrshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 46 years)
    Last Modified 14 Mar 2021 
    Family ID F6000000023825872322  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart