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Mattfried [II] von Eifelgau, Graf von Eifelgau

Male Abt 820 - Aft 882  (> 62 years)


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  • Name Mattfried [II] von Eifelgau 
    Suffix Graf von Eifelgau 
    Nickname Graf von Eifelgau 
    Born Abt 820  Eifel Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Address:
    Gerolstein
    Gerolstein, Rhineland-Palatinate
    Germany 
    Gender Male 
    Occupation Graf von Eifelgau 
    Died Aft 18 Sep 882  Eifel Rheinland-Pfalz Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Address:
    Gerolstein
    Gerolstein, Rhineland-Palatinate
    Germany 
    Notes 
    • {geni:about_me} === Matfrid II (Manfred VI), Graf von Eifelgau- Son of - Matfrid I (Manfred V), Graf von Eifelgau-Orleans ===

      It took a while and many hours of frustration, prayer and persistence. Many times you want to throw your hands up in the air and just quit but that is when 'Passion' takes over. Genealogy, is mainly a jigsaw puzzle to be solved by logical and deductive reasoning.

      After spending the past two weeks cross referencing every suggested, possible and/or logical relation, sifting historical data and crunching all the numbers... It finally became apparent, Mattfrid II, Graf von Eifelgau-Orleans was the only logical person to be the father of Mattfrid I, von Wied.

      Matfried III, von Wied (Engersgau, 1093-1123), had, yet another road block, in this line. He (Matfrid III) had, from multiple sources, three fathers to chose from: [A] Ruckerus von Wied; [B] Wigger II von Engersgau; [C] Richwin IV, von Wied.

      Having dealt with 'Ruckerus' and deduced that, while he could be father, it was more likely,Richwin III, was his father. Then in the 'Medieval Germany: An Encyclopedia' (ref. 2b), it made the claim Mattfried III ( von Wied, also Engersgau ) was the son of Wigger II von Engersgau- to justify the 'Engersgau' surname. It also, 'suggested' (Pg. 824) that 'He' (Mattfried III) was related to the Matfrid's (d'Orleans) but through a matrilineal line.

      This is ruled out, with all the evidence compiled, that it's not only likely but logical that Mattfried III (von Wied-Engersgau) was related to the Matfrid's (d'Orleans) but instead through the patrilinal line.

      Matfrid I, von Wied and Matfrid III von Eifelgau (d'Orleans) dates are very similar.

      Wikapedia states:'' "The third Matfrid, presumed son of the second, was active in the period 867 to 878"''
      (ref. 1)

      In the, 'Medieval Germany: An Encyclopedia', it states: ''"Matfrid III, the son of Matfrid II, flourished 867-878 as a count in Lotharingia and also in Eifelgau. He appears to have property in the part of Lothar II's realm that went to Charles the Bald in 870, probably in the Waberngau and in the Verduner Gau. In 877, with other magnates he was appointed at Queirzy as counselor to Charle's son, as often as he should be in the Meuse region. Matfrid III followed his father as lay abbot St. Vaast, and died about 883." ''
      (ref. 2b)

      Matfrid I, von Wied is cited to have been born between 850-860 and that he died around 886 that is only a three year difference between both Matfrid's date of death. Neither Matrfrid (in question) has a specific or set date for their death. Due to the lack of information and/or evidence, there's really not a good reason, to believe they are or were different people.

      ===== (Well, unless your a descendant of the Hapsburg's :P) =====


      ===== Reference 'Alternative Genealogy' Below =====

      ===Matfrid I, Matfrid II d'Orleans and Matfrid von Eifelgau (Wied) Descendant Chart ===

      1) Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siecle): Essai d'anthropologie sociale (Histoire ancienne et medievale) (French Edition)
      By Regine Le Jan

      ===LINK:===

      http://books.google.com/books?id=v8vwhSwhWogC&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=Matfrid+von+Eifel&source=bl&ots=SZxCf1Hm7s&sig=1BxDxTiZOL2vngYLkw_1qTlkDmw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q3-pUaD2HIrlyAGQ64HABw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=Matfrid%20von%20Eifel&f=false

      === Reference Sources ===

      1a) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/949V-C6X : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Matfrid II von Eifelgau Graf.

      2a) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3M72-QHM : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Mattfried Graf /VonEifelgau/.

      3a) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/393M-GNH : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Matfried II /de Orleans/ * Graf im Eifelgau & Comte de Orleans.

      === Alternative Genealogy ===



      ===== ( Mattfried I, Graf von Wied - Son of - Mattfried II, Comte d'Orleans - Son of - Mattfried I, Comte d'Orleans ) =====



      1b) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3M72-DQH : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Mattfried I /VonWied/.

      2b) Medieval Germany: An Encyclopedia
      edited by John M. Jeep


      ===LINK:===
      http://books.google.com/books?id=0Sdo1gNF4D8C&pg=PA1497&lpg=PA1497&dq=matfrid+III.+of+orleans&source=bl&ots=XlPqjnOKLf&sig=cfpqg_YVxnqBaFUvTGj-UpQo66A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V3uqUej6C9DoiwKGs4DYBQ&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=matfrid%20III.%20of%20orleans&f=false


      3b) Genealogy Online / Stamboom Kyle Wilempse : Wigger Ii von Engersgouw

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      -http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc371156050

      a) [MATFRIED [II] ([820]-after 18 Sep 882). A close family connection between Matfried [II] and Matfried [I] is suggested by the name. This is confirmed by the letter dated 878 from Pope John VIII to "Mactefrido illustri comiti" referring to Engeltrud wife of Boso (who was the daughter of Matfried [I]) as "proxime vestre"[263], although this wording suggests a more remote relationship than father and son. "Hlotharius…imperator augustus" granted property "in pago Lugdunense" to "cuidam vassallo…Immoni", at the request of "Matfredus…comes vel ministerialis noster", by charter dated 15 Dec 843[264]. Graf von Eifel: "Hlotharius…imperator augustus" granted property "in pago Eiflense…in villa…Bettinga" to "cuidam fideli nostro Fulcrado", at the request of "Matfridus…ministerialis noster", by charter dated 17 Feb 844[265]. "Hlotharius…imperator augustus" granted property "in pago Riboariense in comitatu Iuliacense" to "vassallo…Matfredi…comitis, Hrotgario", at the request of "ministerialis nostri Matfridi…comitis", by charter dated 7 May 846[266]. "Hlotharius…imperator augustus" donated property "in pago Eiflinse in comitatu Matfridi" to Kloster Prüm by charter dated 28 Jan 855[267]. "Hlotharius…rex" donated property "in pago Eiflinse in comitatu Matfridi" at the request of "Adalardus et Matfridus…comites" to "vassallo præfati Matfridi Otberto" by charter dated 28 Jun 856[268]. An agreement between Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks and his brother Ludwig II "der Deutsche" King of the East Franks dated Jun 860 names "nobilis ac fidelibus laicis…Chuonradus, Evrardus, Adalardus, Arnustus, Warnarius, Liutfridus, Hruodolfus, Erkingarius, Gislebertus, Ratbodus, Arnulfus, Hugo, item Chuonradus, Liutharius, Berengarius, Matfridus, Boso, Sigeri, Hartmannus, Liuthardus, Richuinus, Wigricus, Hunfridus, Bernoldus, Hatto, Adalbertus, Burchardus, Christianus, Leutulfus, Hessi, Herimannus, item Hruodulfus, Sigehardus"[269]. An agreement dated 14 Jun 877 of Emperor Charles II "le Chauve", presumably written with his own death in mind, names "Arnulfus comes, Gislebertus, Letardus, Matfridus, Widricus, Gotbertus, Adalbertus, Ingelgerus, Rainerus" as those willing to support the emperor's son if he travels across the Meuse[270]. Pope John VIII wrote a letter to "Mactefrido illustri comiti" dated 878 referring to the property of the two daughters of Count Boso in upper Italy & his wife Engeltrud "proxime vestre"[271]. "Hildebertus filius quondam Berengarii comitis" donated property "res…mee in comitatu Vuabrinse prope fluvio…Cherus villam…Beuram" for "germano meo Berengario" to Verdun Sainte-Vanne by charter dated 18 Sep 882, subscribed by "Stephanus comes, Matfridus comes, Witpertus comes"[272].

      '''m''' ---. The name of Matfried's wife is not known.] Count Matfried [II] & his wife had one possible child:
    • [3680] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Wash Ah'tafel) # 1116820136 = 58947080
    Person ID I6000000007151257772  Ancestors of Donald Ross
    Last Modified 6 Oct 2020 

    Father Mattfried,   b. Abt 795,   d. Between 836 and 837  (Age 41 years) 
    Married Abt 815 
    Family ID F6000000020802994014  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Adelheid von Metz,   b. Abt 820,   d. Abt 884, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 64 years) 
    Children 
     1. Matfrède de Metz, comte de Metz,   b. Abt 835,   d. 926, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 91 years)
     2. Alpais von Eifelgau de Frioul,   b. Abt 840
     3. Matfrède [III] von Eifelgau, Graf von Eifelgau,   b. 850,   d. 883  (Age 33 years)
    Last Modified 14 Mar 2021 
    Family ID F6000000020855943880  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart